Wednesday 2 December 2015

My Month Volunteering at Lanta Animal Welfare

When Nick and I visited Koh Lanta back in January we fell in love with the island. We loved the food and the beaches but most of all we loved visiting Lanta Animal Welfare, Koh Lanta's cat and dog shelter. We came to walk dogs, we took a tour and we even ate at Time For Lime because we knew that the money from our meal there would go directly towards funding Lanta Animal Welfare. The information leaflets and tours sold us on Lanta Animal Welfare's great work not only with the animals living there but also on their work educating local communities about how to care for animals as well as their fantastic sounding spay and neuter programme. The long and short of it was that Lanta Animal Welfare gave us the warm and fuzzies, so much so that within a month of leaving we were desperate to come back and booked to return to live onsite and do a month's volunteering. That month just ended and the warm and fuzzy feeling I felt has been replaced with so many new feelings; despair, heartache, disappointment and confusion to name a few.

I knew going into the month that it was going to be challenging, that I was going to have to deal with seeing animals in tough situations and that yes, animals probably were going to die. As a sensitive human with a love for all of the world's animals, yes, even cockroaches, I knew that I'd spend a fair amount of time feeling sad but I thought that that would be evened out by how uplifted I'd feel being a part of such a cool project run by people who, like me, just want to help save animals. When a cat was killed by a dog within the first ten minutes of my first shift I felt sad but the outpouring of grief and obvious devastation of those around me made me feel like I was in a great place surrounded by great people and to a certain extent that was true
- the people I was working with that morning are wonderful and I met and worked with other wonderful volunteers during my time at Lanta Animal Welfare. When I was caring for a Bo'nwuy, a dog with a large, deep wound in his head, and he suddenly had a fit and died on the ground in front of me I was grief stricken; upset that Bon'nuy's owners had let the wound get so bad, sorry that our efforts to make him better had failed and sad that I was unable to do anything to save his life. These were the kinds of things I had mentally prepared myself to be dealing with, everything that follows? Not so much.

On literature and online Lanta Animal Welfare proudly state that one of their main aims is to "control the over population of stray cats and dogs in and around Lanta humanely via sterilisation". Now to me this, combined with the information I received during my visit, made me believe that I was going to be volunteering at a low or no kill shelter. As Lanta Animal Welfare make no mention of euthanasia anywhere on their site I perhaps naively assumed that this meant that healthy animals would not be being euthanised. Within a week it became clear that this aim was not being met to the best of the staff's abilities when it came to abandoned stray cats dumped outside the centre. Cats dumped outside the centre during the night were being moved away from the centre by people involved with Lanta Animal Welfare, this set alarm bells ringing in my head and I knew that I had to start digging. I wondered how taking an unsteralised cat that had been dumped outside the centre and essentially dumping it elsewhere could be the most humane option. When I learnt that the alternative was euthanasia I began to understand why this was happening. The more I dug the more I became tangled up in something that had seemingly been going on for a while. It took me ten days to get hold of a copy of the centre's euthanasia policy, my requests repeatedly falling on deaf ears, and when I did I was startled to see how vague, unclear and convoluted this enormous section of policy was. I won't reproduce the whole thing here but if anyone wants to see it just drop me an email and I'll pass it on.

This section of policy was an area that I knew wasn't being stuck to from the moment I read it.

"The decision to euthanise an animal with a medical condition is made by the Vetenarian. For other situation [sic], the management team will review the case and the Centre Director or President & Founder will make a final decision"

Stray cats with small, treatable problems like scabies and abandoned kittens who were between 3 and 6 weeks old, were being euthanised by the vet before any of the people working there had had a discussion about it. When I questioned the centre Director about this he was seemingly unaware that this was even the policy and then when I pointed out that bit of the document quickly backtracked to say that the vet would obviously be letting him know when she had a chance - as I pointed out this clearly isn't good enough as by this point the cat would already be dead. I have spoken with numerous people who have been present in the clinic when these things have happened and who have been shocked and appalled by the current vet's lack of care or concern.

After speaking with the owner of the shelter about this she confirmed to me that they do euthanise healthy stray cats and one of the main reasons given was that there is no room at the shelter for more cats. She also expressed concerns about whether cats could survive in the wild without starving to death especially in cases where cats were dumped on Lanta Animal Welfare's doorstep and staff had no idea where to return them to. She advised me that if I were to run my own shelter I would need to make difficult decisions regarding the welfare of the animals in my care and I am completely aware that this is true. I am more than aware that not all shelters are no-kill and that money, space and human resources play into how feasible it is to help an animal dumped at your door. I am also aware that the situation with Lanta Animal Welfare is quite unique in that they are the only shelter in the area, this isn't like in the UK where you can call for help from a shelter a couple of towns over and I've been told that culturally finding foster homes is more challenging here than it would be in Western Europe, the USA or Canada. This being said I have definitely not experienced that staff at Lanta Animal Welfare doing everything they can to find an alternative to euthanasia. In the policy they say that they...

"hope there will be a day when healthy and treatable animals are no longer euthanised for space or lack of homes and resources" 

and go on to say that their...

"educational and vetinary programs are attacking the problems at the source with aggressive spay / neuter, education and adoption programs. Until that time comes we have assumed the responsibility of humanely euthanising those animals that have found no home"

Having spent the last month working at Lanta Animal Welfare my concerns surrounding the above statement are twofold. One, there are no education programs happening currently which means that they are failing the animals completely in this regard. Two, Lanta Animal Welfare's adoption program is far from aggressive. I think that lacklustre would be a better descriptor, during the time I was there both myself and two other volunteers offered to help the adoption co-ordinator update the adoptable cats book and the website numerous times over a two week period and were met with the dismissive response that it's not a problem or is already being taken care of. When I left yesterday the cat book still contained pictures of 7 cats that are no longer available for adoption and was missing pictures of over 10 cats that are available for adoption. The website is no better and as of right now it is missing information on 20 of Lanta Animal Welfare's adoptable cats. 

Following on from this nobody at Lanta Animal Welfare actually knows how many cats are currently residing there and the Director, David Tippleston, was very dismissive of the work I'd done to take an accurate inventory of the cats. As space is one of the reasons Lanta Animal Welfare give for having to euthanise healthy animals I would have thought that knowing the cat population would have been as much of a priority to the staff as it was to me. After finding out that a healthy cat had been euthanised that day I decided that I had to do more to stop that happening again so Nick and I along with another volunteer and with the help of one of only a couple of staff members who I believe genuinely care about the welfare of the animals above anything else took a detailed inventory of the cats. We spent a week doing this at feeding times as well as early in the morning and late in the evening as we understand that cats are transient and that this wasn't something that was going to be accomplished in one afternoon. Our conclusion? 43 cats. This was 11 fewer cats than the number 54 that had been stagnating on the blackboard for the last 6 weeks at least. We genuinely thought that we'd done a great thing proving to the staff that yes, you do have space to save more cats and that right then there was no possible need for euthanasia. We were instead met with anger and accusations of overstepping boundaries by questioning everything that ended in a situation where the Director verbally abused me. I have of course submitted a formal complaint about this (and what I believe are his many other failings as both the Director and as a reasonable human being) to the owner of the shelter in writing and we will see what happens there in due course - an update will be posted here when I have one. The number of cats was then changed back to 50 (Lanta Animal Welfare's at capacity number) and the Director told me that he has a computer program that tells him how many cats there are and showed no interest in even looking at our cat inventory or discussing the matter any further.

Despite the lack of help I was getting from the majority of the staff at Lanta Animal Welfare I kept trying to help the animals right up until my last day - cat counting and working a 48 hour week aside I set up an Instagram account for them (which incidentally the Director stopped me from being able to access a few days before I left) which I got up to over 100 followers in just over 2 weeks. I made social media posters and liaised with the host to make sure they were pointed out to visitors. I updated flight volunteer posters and suggested that we advertise the need for flight volunteers within the expat community on the island starting with the parents of the kids from the schools on the island who we take on tours. I suggested "Lost Pet" style posters to advertise the dogs and cats that had been adopted and were just waiting for flight volunteers with the goal of getting the already adopted animals out of there faster to make space to help stray animals. I offered to spend my days off going around the island's resorts and hotels to see if there was any way they could take on a cat. I suggested ways that they could re-word their website to make things like the flight volunteer programme sound easier and more inspirational. I spoke with vets, people from shelters, and organisations that focus on Trap Neuter Release to see what they do when animals are dumped somewhere so that I could be better informed and offer more support and advice to the staff. I researched how likely it was that cats could survive in a new place to prove to Lanta Animal Welfare that the euthanising of healthy cats was unnecessary in the current situation - I now know a lot about the Vacuum Effect and hope that that information will come in handy somewhere else one day.

I knew going into this that volunteering at a Thai shelter was going to be up there with one of the more difficult things I've tried to do with my life thus far but I wasn't prepared to be working with people who seemed to care so little about animals. It blew my mind that my suggestions and help were met with indifference at best and disdain and hostility at worst. It has been one of the most frustrating months of my life. I don't doubt that when Junie Kovacs set up Lanta Animal Welfare she had the best intentions to spay, neuter and care for as many animals as possible, you don't sell everything you own and start a shelter halfway around the world because you want to kill animals. It's undeniable that Lanta Animal Welfare have done and still do an amazing job of sterilising and vaccinating animals on Koh Lanta and the surrounding islands but somewhere, somehow, the goals of the shelter have been blurred and I have no doubt that this has a lot to do with the staff currently working there. I know people who volunteered there last winter as well as earlier this year and their experiences were entirely different. What else was different? The staff. Almost the whole staff changed between March and September of this year which has clearly made the shelter a very different place to be for both humans and animals.

Transparency is my other issue in this situation - the lines are blurring all over the place. In the volunteer pack we received before volunteering we were told that Lanta Animal Welfare look after the welfare of the animals on the island through an aggressive spay and neuter programme. On tours people are told to look out for any cats without a tattoo in their ear and to bring them to us for sterilisation. If this turned out to be a stray kitten, or even an adult cat with kittens that weren't quite old enough to be sterilised, they would end up being euthanised. Since I started asking questions more is being done to make sure that they know where the animal came from and to see if there is any chance that the person who found that cat can continue to care for it but I do not have faith that this will continue now that I've left. I believe that if Lanta Animal Welfare were more honest with visitors about their "at capacity" status and what that means perhaps people would be more likely to consider adopting one of their cats. In literature that they hand out Lanta Animal Welfare show pictures of animals who are very unwell and show their before and after pictures.

These success stories don't accurately reflect what was happening with cats who were dumped at the shelter when I arrived. One cat was euthanised because it had a small patch of scabies despite the isolation area having around 20 free spaces and the volunteer accommodation being full enough that some volunteers needed to stay off site or at the staff house meaning that we definitely had the resources needed to care for these animals.

After I started asking questions the vet wrote a letter to all volunteers stating that there had been some... 

"confusion recently regarding our protocol for stray animals" 

She went on to say that...

"at the moment we are overpopulated and are unable to accept any more animals onto our adoption program, so if we consider them to have a good chance of survival in the wild we sterilise them and release them to a new area" 

This is something that the founder had categorically stated only days before the letter was written was not happening. As I mentioned earlier she had told me that there wasn't anywhere they could currently release the animals that are dumped at Lanta Animal Welfare. She said that this was because the temples were full and the resorts on the island weren't interested. Given that there is a euthanasia policy given to staff in their own manual I feel that they are trying to keep the true information about euthanasia within as small a group as possible. I think that even if Lanta Animal Welfare aren't willing to put information about their euthanasia policy on their website a lot of confusion and disappointment could be averted if a copy of the policy was included in full in the information pack volunteers receive before their arrival - if this had been the case myself and my fellow volunteers would have been able to make informed decisions about whether we were okay with the policy and I could have chosen to spend my time volunteering somewhere whose ethics align more closely with mine meaning that this blog post wouldn't have needed to be written. 

After I started questioning the policy a cat who was covered in scabies was admitted to the shelter for treatment. I have no doubt in my mind that if the cat, who I named Davey, had been dumped here at the beginning of last month he would have been euthanised. 

I'm coming away from this experience with mixed feelings and emotions. I'm proud of myself for managing to stick out the month despite being desperate to leave on more than a few occasions. It feels good to have stayed and to have kept pushing for change in the face of resistance and, in some cases, outright hostility. I'm also so happy to have met some amazing people during my time at LAW, from the committed and hardworking general volunteers (you know who you are!) and hosts, to the volunteer vets who had the guts to discuss what was happening in the surgery, as well as Ryan, the super patient kennel manager, who took me from being a totally unqualified volunteer who was actually scared of dogs on day one to a confident and somewhat qualified dog person who now has the skills to go forth and be a more useful volunteer elsewhere. This certainly isn't the end for me and dogs or for me and shelter work but unless things change this is a break in the road for me and Lanta Animal Welfare. Whilst I have seen some great work being done this month, especially with dogs, both stray and under their long term care, I believe that Lanta Animal Welfare can be better and I will happily support them again when they take steps in that direction. 

I have been advised that writing this post could damage Lanta Animal Welfare and that if people were aware that they were euthanising animals that they may decide not to support them. This may well be true as Thailand is a majority Buddhist country; the other Thai shelters that I spoke with said that they do not euthanise animals unless they are unwell and unable to get better because it is unacceptable within the communities they work in. To me what is unacceptable in this situation is to hide the truth. If Lanta Animal Welfare truly believe that they are doing the right thing and exhausting every other option before euthanising animals then they'd be able to be more upfront and honest about it. People deserve to know exactly what they're supporting whether that's financially, through reviews on Trip Advisor, via shares on social media, or by flying halfway around the world to volunteer somewhere that, upon arrival, is not what it seems. Honesty and transparency are two of the driving forces behind writing this post, it's important to me that other people don't get into the same situation I've been struggling through for the last month, but also I hope that this will somehow make the staff running Lanta Animal Welfare sit up, listen and hopefully implement some of my ideas along with any of their own to make sure that they are really, truly exhausting every possible option before euthanising a healthy animal. 


  1. Jojo you are inspiration for trying to make positive changes at this shelter. I hope that somehow they will be able to let down their defenses and try and do better both for the animals and the community.

  2. Wow jojo, thank you so much for writing out such a detailed and balanced account of your time at Lanta Animal Welfare. It sounds like you still have a lot of love and respect for the people and the mission and are eager to help them get back to their commitment to the animals after a massive staff changeover.

    I think it is so troubling that you tried to work within their system - clearly and professionally identifying problems (like the backlog in updating adoptable cats and the transparency around inventory and accountability for making medical decisions especially re euthanasia), only to be personally attacked and abused for your efforts.

    I applaud you now taking your concerns public, after it became clear that LAW has no interest in remedying some pretty serious issues (especially dumping unsterilized cats and euthanizing healthy ones where there is space and resources to treat them). I hope that the public scrutiny will encourage Lanta's founder to return to her low kill mission and become the facility they were before the staff change.

    I am so sorry you had such a rough month fighting for the animals, but I am so impressed with your professionalism and I know you're going to make a huge difference elsewhere with the skills you have learned!

  3. Wow, you did some incredible work while volunteering there; I'm sure little Davey is especially thankful for you! :) It's great that you are sharing your experiences and what you learned from the inside; hopefully this will lead to positive changes in LAW's policies and practices.

  4. you are very brave an inspiring. it is disheartening the stuff you found out about the shelter. your heart is kind and your time there was much needed. i hope some changes come about with this posting and your work there.

  5. Aw, how sad!! But I'm glad that you posted this because people — especially donors — have a right to know. I'm actually not a huge believer in no-kill (in theory, it sounds great, but I don't know how possible it is). BUT if a facility is going to euthanize, they need to be up-front and honest and it needs to be a LAST RESORT. And adoption/education/spay-neuter programs need to be running their highest possible level to minimize the need for euthanasia.

  6. Thank you for sharing your experience. Transparency is important, and apparently the shelter is in need of more transparency/improvements.

    It must have been really hard to go through that month with the animals dying or being euthanized when there was no need for it...

  7. What a heartbreaking and disheartening post to read. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been to write, and moreso, to experience first-hand.

    I can understand that running an animal shelter can be beyond overwhelming- especially if that shelter is the only one providing service to a community, such as LAW. But how disappointing that you, as Rachel mentioned, worked within their system to organize and improve conditions for the animals, and bruised egos prevailed over actual compassionate (and sensible) policy change.

    I truly hope your speaking up opens a few eyes, be they LAW senior staff or LAW donors- whatever it takes to get the message across that this is unacceptable. We see all too often that innocent animals are the victims of humans' arrogance, pride, and hubris; the last place this should be happening is in a so-called 'shelter.'

  8. You are so amazing for sticking it out and helping the animals that you could . Quite aside from the distress of seeing what was happening there, dealing with hostility from the management would have been quite upsetting. I think it is important that there is transparency in how shelters operate, both to enable donors to make decisions but also to allow people taking animals to shelters to make decisions. <3

  9. I think this post was definitely worth writing; they could have taken the opportunity to make the most of your web/social media/marketing skills, as well as the more practical stuff, but it sounds like the manager is really stopping them from progressing. I think you've done right in presenting a very measured write-up of your time there!

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  11. First of all thank you for writing this post, I'm sure it hasn't been easy after your experience. As you said it's important that people know what they sign for especially when the life of other beings is involved and depends on their actions.

    It's very sad what is happening at LAW and I really hope that your determination and courage to speak up will make them change their current euthanization policy. I understand it's not as easy as it might seem, but there MUST be other ways.

  12. A fascinating read. It's really admirable that you worked so hard for change in those circumstances, and such a shame that the centre seems to have declined in just a few months. Hopefully your efforts while you were volunteering and this publicity now will have a positive effect and perhaps open the owner's eyes to the real situation.

  13. Wow...I am completely shocked by this post. Previously I have only heard good things about LAW and friends of mine who are very savvy at weeding out the good organisations from the bad ones have passionately supported them in the past. That was at the beginning of the year though...I sincerely hope things turn around.

    Also, I too have volunteered somewhere and found, once there, that there were policies and practices that I could not abide by. It breaks your heart to discover that a group of people you highly admire are behaving unethically. So you have my sympathies there.

  14. That sounds so sad!! I am so proud of you for sticking it out the whole month, even though it was a tough one. You are a true inspiration Jojo!!

  15. Hi Jojo
    Thank you for the extensive feedback!
    I too am a volunteer at LAW.
    I'm glad I met you (an inspirational woman!) and read your blog as this has hi lighted some of the many obstacles we face in Thailand. Your concerns are noted and are now a concern for all and will most certainly provoke discussion here with positive outcomes and with suggestions for a re assessment of several of your points.
    With all due respect, our experienced founder Junie Kovaks has been living on this island, fulfilling a vital need in the community for 11 years.
    Understanding Thai culture is crucial! Do you speak Thai?
    How experienced are you in Thainess and Buddhism? Have you actually lived in Thailand or are you a traveller/ visitor?
    This is KEY and most important to understand and to gain and keep the island police, amphuors, elders and local populations confidence and support on side.
    Respect, dignity and silence are the most dominant features in Thai culture, known as 'Thainess'.
    Not easy for 'Farangs' to understand!
    We tend to be the opposite. Outspoken, pushy and loud!!
    Offence is easily incurred. We walk a tightrope!
    Reading the Bangkok Post daily has taught me a lot of manners!
    Thais are very, very polite and humble.
    Buddhism also plays a huge part and differs greatly to our own western culture eg. on neutering and euthanasia. We have to be very careful and especially respectful on these issues, which would be hard for you to grasp in one month at the centre!
    I still struggle after 5 years!
    We are guests in a foreign country and are already stepping on their toes. Big time! Can you see this?
    We have to fit in quietly and respectfully as we want to carry on helping animals and not be closed down, which is a constant threat and always a worry. Did you know this?
    Are you trying to close us down?

    As you know, we already struggle for donations. Your blog could well see us closed down and who suffers? If you have a problem with certain humans, please don't punish the animals! That is all you are in danger of accomplishing, trust me.

    Immigration requirements are also a huge obstacle to overcome, one month no problem, 12 months is a completely different story! Thus recruitment is constant and challenging, and a struggle as we change people mostly every year; an employers nightmare!
    And so much training, training, training!! Do you get this?

    What are you doing in the next few years?! I think it would be great if you could apply for a position and help for longer, your worries and fears could be sorted, and your enthusiasm and passion are very worthy traits!

    You wrote in your blog
    'One, there are no education programs happening currently which means that they are failing the animals completely in this regard. Two, Lanta Animal Welfare's adoption program is far from aggressive. I think that lacklustre would be a better descriptor'

    I wish to point out......
    As a teacher, I delivered educational presentations on behalf of LAW to schools on Koh Lanta starting 2 years ago and this was continued by Fon last year and is due to be continued next year, funds permitting.
    Would you like to come and help with this?
    We are always in need of help and funds.
    We only have a skeleton staff and high season is approaching for 4/5 months and we need money to stay open! Everything has to be prioritised!!

    Sorry but I don't agree with your subjective and negative 'lacklustre' comment about adoptions either!
    What about objective and positive comments like.......
    LAW had 89 adoptions last year, that's approx 2 a week!
    To date, LAW has carried out 8000+ sterilisations!
    ( not bad for a small Thai island?!)
    What one woman can achieve in Asia!
    I hear you are thinking about starting your own welfare centre? Wonderful, Go Jojoj!

  16. You also wrote
    'Since I started asking questions more is being done to make sure that they know where the animal came from and to see if there is any chance that the person who found that cat can continue to care for it but I do not have faith that this will continue now that I've left'

    Sorry Jojo but this is incorrect, please have faith!
    I wish to allay your fears.
    When someone brings in an animal they have found, they are asked if they can adopt it, foster it or sponsor it! It's routine!
    The responsibility for animal care on the island is everyone's problem, not just Junies.

    I wish to address this comment also.
    'I updated flight volunteer posters and suggested that we advertise the need for flight volunteers within the expat community on the island starting with the parents of the kids from the schools on the island who we take on tours.'

    Again, this already happens!
    We welcomed 4 Swedish school tours to LAW in the last two weeks and as with all tours, we asked for FV. Children can be very persuasive!
    On Friday 13th November I went into Lille School parents assembly and requested FV to Sweden for our animals. There is FV information at both Swedish schools. We also have FV whiteboards in various locations on the island with LAW outreach partners updating them via our adoptions coordinator when the details change.
    Maybe you were not aware of this?

    I have addressed some of your concerns that have shown oversight and inaccuracies on your part and this throws ambiguity and misinterpretation on your other concerns as well Jojo!
    It's very easy coming from a first world country to be critical in a third world country!! Much harder to roll up ones sleeves and get stuck in! As you found out! Thank you for your help, short as it was, it was much appreciated. We cannot help so many animals without volunteers. You are crucial to the continuation of the centre and should have been respected.

    I have been a volunteer at LAW for 5 years now. (The longest and oldest!) I gave up life in London to support this worthwhile cause 3 years ago. I wish I had known about your concerns before you left, we could have had a lively, informative and interesting discussion!
    Personally, I welcome all feedback as it is productive and we must never be complacent. You are clearly a concerned and caring person.

    I am happy to discuss the euthanasia taboo more fully with you as there seems to be confusion? Your blog gives a wholly inaccurate and false impression of the centre. We save lives and some animals have been with us 11 years! We love animals and we want to care for them all! And we do our best!
    Approx 130 animals cared for in two venues and thousands more island wide. All are on our radar!
    Plus other islands and the mainland all benefit too!
    Vaccinations, sterilisations, mobile clinics and health care are all given freely but in reality are costly, we can only achieve so much!

    Please show respect and not naivety! custom, culture and religion are paramount in a foreign country. In your ignorance, sadly, you have sledgehammered all three! You are not at home in England!
    Also, your list of feelings of 'despair, heartache, disappointment and confusion' seem somewhat theatrical!
    Strange, I feel exactly the opposite! I find LAW to be an uplifting and happy place for animals and people.
    Inevitably, sometimes, there are sad times though.

  17. I suggest that people reading and supporting this blog or anyone with doubts about our centre, please come and visit or volunteer at LAW and see / experience it for yourselves first hand.
    Beware of second hand opinions of bloggers looking for likes, shares and adulation!
    Check out the LAW website? It's real!!
    Lanta Animal Welfare is a truly wonderful place and Koh Lanta is so lucky to have had Junie Kovaks go there on holiday 11 years ago and care so much, that she returned and initiated a 'sterilisation, feeding and treating sick animals program'
    She has achieved unbelievable results from sheer hard work, determination and huge personal financial sacrifices.
    No one I have ever known has given so much of themselves to charity.
    For me Junie deserves a medal and the highest order of merit!
    More devoted people like her are needed world wide to help animals in distress.
    Ones that walk the walk and not just talk the talk!

    Maureen Henderson :-)

  18. Jojo, I'm so impressed with how you handled the situation and your dedication. Well done for persisting as you did and it's so disappointing they weren't more open to rectifying the situation. It must have been so heartbreaking and difficult!

  19. Jojo we have things to discuss
    please could you contact me via email
    Thanks Mo

  20. Well, I don't know about anyone else, but that nonsensical chain of passive aggressive comments really changed MY mind!

  21. Jojo I am still waiting to speak with you about your blog!


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